Sabah tragedy: The real truth

In Uncategorized on 12/06/2015 at 3:36 am

Have you guys ever climbed mt k to be a judge of things?
All these comments are only made after a natural disaster prompted tragedy took place.

If this earthquake did not take place and hence no one died, would this topic ever be visited?

Someone responded

You’re right sir. Many are hindsight commenters.

Seismologists comment on foresight prior to a quake.

Simisaimologists (Singlish) comment on hindsight after the quake.

These comments appeared on Goh Meng Seng’s Facepook wall where he had posted

For those who put up very strange logic against my voicing out against MOE stupidity, let me put it this way, do you expect opposition politicians to point out and raise voice against ruling party when they made grave mistakes which will endanger lives, Especially young innocent lives? If so, just let me do my job. If not, then go and help PAP.

All I can say is that Goh Meng Seng’s attempts to play up to the cybernut gallery is par for the course. What he’s saying is that because the children have died, the govt is at fault.

I’m glad that the SDP’s RI doctors are making sure thar Dr Chee doesn’t resort to his “mad dog” persona like he did when deciding to challenge WP in Punnol East and in defending the three young hooligans Roy, New Citizen Habn Hui Hui and Amos Yee. There is a GE coming and the SDP cannot appear looney. It needs the middle ground to win a GRC. Goh Meng seng still seems to think like the cybernuts, that the core anti_PAP vote (Any monkey, so long as he’s not a PAP monkey) will bring him victoty

The evidence that the cybernuts are using to blame the govt is

— that earthquakes are frequent there, and

— the climb is very dangerous, not suitable for untrained primary school children.

Here’s what the BBC said about the frequency of earthquakes:

 Major earthquakes are rare in Malaysia. The country lies outside the so-called Pacific “ring of fire,” where a lot of seismic activity occurs.

As to allegations that it’s dangerous, not suitable for primary school kids:

Malaysian tourism officials describe Mount Kinabalu as one of the “safest and most conquerable” peaks in the world, which helps explain its enormous appeal.

The mountain is in the news after climbers became stranded there after an earthquake, but school groups and 80-year-olds are among the estimated tens of thousands who safely climb its summit each year.

It is a road well-travelled. Climbers must pay for a guide. A rest house more than 3,000 metres up serves porridge, coke and tom yam soup.

It’s only a trek, not serious mountain climbing. Now this is fair comment:

But some say Kinabalu should be approached with caution.

“Despite its popularity, it’s a very tough trek and not to be undertaken lightly”, advises Rough Guide.

As to the lack of training, there is ample evidence except in Cybernut Universe that the children were trained.

There’ll be at least one inquiry, so let’s wait to see if there is any b;ame to apportion.

  1. /// Simisaimologists (Singlish) comment on hindsight after the quake. ///

    Simisaimologists comment on backside after the quake.

  2. It’s a tough trek only for grossly overweight fatso’s. Rough Guide is written mainly for angmohs, and most angmohs are fat asses. Climbing up 5 storeys will be enough to give most of them a heart attack. Unfortunately most Sinkies & Asians now belong to the fat arse angmoh category. They will rather drive round the corner to the nearest 7-11 instead of taking a 3-min walk. My parents in their early-70s were able to make the climb up Mt K couple of years ago, and they weren’t struggling at all.

  3. GMS talks a good game. But its often what and how he comments on issues that really shows him up. This Mt KK thing is defining. Its one of those instances where majority of Singaporeans can agree on a common approach: its a tragedy, a natural disaster, show your condolences, don’t blame.

    Now if you truly believe that something or someone is at fault and you need to bring it out at this moment its up to you. But just be aware majority of the ground is against you, unless you cocoon yourself in TRE and have the usual 100-200 hardcore nuts to back you up.

    It baffles me when people like GMS want to throw their hat in the political ring. Their major selling point is that PAP doesn’t listen to the people and just goes its own way. But in such instances when the ground sentiment is obviously leaning toward one direction, they themselves chose to go their own way, and then say that “oh, its because they have the courage to speak up”. In such cases what happens to respecting the people’s choice? The people’s choice, if you see on social media at this point in time, is to commemorate, to mourn, not to blame. So are you respecting that choice right now?

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  5. Posting from a “non cybernut” who is non political and writes a fitness blog. He explains why it is not safe for a group of 12 yr olds to climb Mt Kinabalu.

    The disquiet and angst felt by many parents over this incident is real. None of the parents I have spoken to have indicated that they would encourage or permit their children to go on such excursions. A school teacher friend commented that most teachers do not like such activities. Often they are initiated by ambitious HODs/principals who want to showcase such achievements so that they can move up the ladder.

    • Let’s cut the bull, You call yrself a Statistician? Where are the stats on children that have died, injured or the data that fatalities are significant stats wise. You like that Goh Meng Seng who used moniker S’pore Statistician?

      Stop joining GMS and friends who are dancing on the children’s grave and insulting the parents. by their comments. LOL.

  6. You might also want to read this. The fitness blogger that wrote the previous 2 articles lost a friend climbing Mt Kinabalu.

    The friend was an officer when he was in the army. He was about 40 years and vice principal of a secondary school. He was physically fit and part of blogger’s fitness group. He died while leading a group of secondary school students to climb Mt Kinabalu.

  7. I think you will always find parents who generally do not feel its safe for kids to go on such trips. You will also find individuals to find it too physically strenous. Its common. There will be folks who have issues with their kids going on field trips to Pulau Ubin even. And its not necessarily wrong. We all have our own degree to tolerances.

    But theres a difference between stating one’s own preferences and tolerances, and using it to politicise matters, to use it as a broad based, sweeping judgement to pin blame on others.

    Is it right to call for such trips to be banned altogether? I’d like to ask the usual armchair critics what if the trip was organized for secondary school students? Maybe 14-15 year olds who are stronger in physique and supposedly more mature? And what if the same thing tragically happens? Is there blame to be apportioned here then? Or what if a company organizes a team building retreat to Malaysia and their bus crashes in a landslide? What blame to come up with then? Blame the CEO for trying to wayang, wasting company money?

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