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Seek truth from facts, TRE commentators/ Don’t misrepresent me

In Uncategorized on 02/04/2015 at 4:35 am

In response to https://atans1.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/are-you-better-off-now-than-you-were-in-2011/ which TRE republished,

— Chris K*, a regular TRE contributor, whose analyses of CPF and our SWFs’ are worth reading wrote:

eeerrr leftist mean Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Red China, meh? Or is that Labour, Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists which is a good thing right? More likely CI falls for the PAP demonology that everything left is communist which is as far from the truth as saying the PAP is fascist and one L*Y is Adolf Hitler. tsk, tsk very disappointing, mate.

— Ng Kok Lim, another regular TRE commentator, screamed out:

CI is making the same unqualified smearing of the Lefitsts by the PAP by labeling them as communists like those in Cuba and so on. Where is CI’s proof that the leftists were actually communists? CI must take note that the PAP could never charge the Leftists as communists in court. They could only lock them up unethically and immorally until the detainees buay tah han and admitted guilt even if they were innocent much like the forcing of the ‘truth’ through torture during medieval times. 

(I had written that LKY and gang and others not leftish enough would have likely to lived to have lunch gatherings or pioneer generation benefits: opponents and intellectuals not sympathetic to the leftists’ cause were, imprisoned, exiled or killed in Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Red China.)

I would ask Chris K, Ng Kok Lim and others who believe the self-serving rubbish of the Coldstore detainees that they were a bunch of social democrat peaceniks with flowers in their hair) to go have a word with students (now in their 60s and 70s) of Chinese High, Chung Ching etc about their time in school. In their clandestine cell groups, did they study the works of leading European and British social democrats or socialists? Nope they would tell you that they studied the works of Mao.

Ask them about the cell leaders who led the discussions. Were they steeped in the tots of the ang moh social democtats or socialists? Nope they were acolytes of Mao, steeped in the doctrines Chinese communism.

Finally Chris K and fellow believers in the peaceful nature of the leftists’ movement here who fought the British and LKY should read the memoirs of the Plen and Chin Peng.

But at the very least they should read http://brokensilencesg.blogspot.ca/2015/03/where-forgotten-heroes-are-born-chinese.html. This blogger is anti-LKY (like Chris K and Ng), yet his view of the students chimes with LKY’s views of the students.

Then come talk to me.

The very serious point I’m trying to make that LKY’s and PAP’s self-serving narrative of our history, is not all rubbish. Like all good propaganda, it has elements of the truth. In the 1950s and earky 1960s

— the Malayan Communist Party and China used the leftist movement here for their own ends;

— the students and other Chinese-educated leftists here were highly influenced by the writings of one Mao. They were not influenced by ang moh social democrats or socialists like the Fabians.

Mao said, “Gather truth from facts”, something I’m sure Chris K was doing when he was working as a risk manager. But I’m sure Ng Kok Lim doesn’t “Gather truth from facts”.

He didn’t read what I wrote: I never called the Coldstore detainees “communists”. Or he decided to misrepresent me? Taz the quality of Ng Kok Lim: either not bothering to read what I wrote or trying to make me say what he  wanted me to say, despite me not writing it,  by accusing me of writing something I never wrote. This is what Ng wrote: CI is making the same unqualified smearing of the Lefitsts by the PAP by labeling them as communists like those in Cuba and so on. Where is CI’s proof that the leftists were actually communists?) 

Where did I call our leftists.

Ng may have wished I called our leftists “communists”, but where’s the proof?

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*He describes himself: Chris is a retired executive director in the financial industry who had mostly worked in London and Tokyo. He writes opinions and commentaries mostly on economic and financial matters.

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  1. so, is socialism the ideology of most SG opposition parties ?

  2. Aye, it’s impossible to come to a conclusion, because evidence is scanty. Even if the leftists had study Mao, how serious were they about communism? It’s not abt the fact of them reading abt Mao (many people read Mao’s books, but some read it as a joke, some read for fun). Did they believe in those things? How are u going to prove that they really believed Mao Zedong and wanted to apply his teachings to Singapore? How do u know there’s “an element of truth” that underpinned the arrests? Because the government says so? Good propaganda doesn’t need an element of truth, unless u consider “truth” to be the same as mistaken public perceptions. All that propaganda needs is the careful incubation of a preferred idea in people until they believe that it must be true. Look no further than Singapore’s TRS, which has exaggerated the mistaken public perception that people from PRCs are all uncouth trouble-makers until Singaporeans now believe it has “an element of truth”. Until the Singapore government agrees to open the archives, it’s anyone guess. TRE’s guess is as good as yours. But you are right abt one thing, they should not have put words in your mouth. Hope they publish your response too.

    • Which is why I say talk to students to find out what they were tot and what they believed in.

      Which is also why I avoided the word “communists” and talked of “leftists”.

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